No more excuses. No more silence. No more violence. No more.
this seriously needs more notes i cant even
Yes it does.. A LOT MORE.
oh my god guys AMC took it further
OMG PRAXID. I CAN’T.
I feel like caryl shippers should be sending you gift baskets and wine.
I can’t find this. Was it deleted? Because if it was, it’s a slip-up and that’s basically confirmation that it’s canon. BUT if it’s still there - well, we all know what THAT means…!!
(Being snarky even before I had my coffee is always a good way to start the day)
Hi there my anonymous friend,
Thank you very much for the thoughtful question and for trusting me with it.
I will do my very best to answer this and give you my opinion BUT I want to warn you that there were a lot of things about 4B that still remain unresolved for me and much about Season 4 in general confused and perplexed me in ways I can’t possibly explain or put together just yet!
Connecting the dots in complicated emotional debacles such as this one can be challenging to say the least but last season made this even more difficult because we were never given an opportunity to see how the characters themselves felt about the tragedies that fell upon them. That unfortunate side effect was nowhere more pronounced than when it came to Carol and to a lesser extent even Daryl himself.
Carol was banished from the group in Episode 4 Indifference and the last interaction we observed between her and Daryl was even before that in Episode 3 Isolation, after which we sentenced to a form of emotional blackout when it came to CARYL and how either of them felt about anything…really.
Daryl’s reaction to the banishment and Rick’s delay in revealing it to him was more than a little bit used to drum up suspense and anticipation of the fallout that was surely to follow. The confrontation was delayed for over 3 episodes and finally addressed in the MSF “Too Far Gone” only to be interrupted by the arrival of the Governor and the loss of the prison itself.
After that Carol and Daryl as an entity all but disappeared and while the writers used subtle cues to connect them and tease the possibility and proximity of their reunion, their feelings about the separation and it’s circumstances were largely left in the dark and soon other tragedies overwhelmed everyone’s existence.
Daryl Dixon transformed into a brooding, catatonic version of himself and while it was obvious that he was suffering a great deal about their losses and his own perceived guilt - we never really got a clear sense of exactly how he was feeling and who he was feeling it for.
Personally I feel like if TPTB have to go on record several times and explain that the loss of Carol will be weighing on Daryl the entire time he is in the wilderness AND that he misses her deeply, then the show writers obviously failed to paint that particular picture to its viewers.
In Still when Daryl breaks down after some moonshine and succumbs to his grief and guilt, Beth mentions Sophia and actually brings up Carols name as well, the flinching shadow of pain on his face is certainly evident BUT with all the other horrible realities he was trying to face I feel as if his emotional response to her specifically was little difficult to pinpoint.
The only thing I can confidently say about Daryl in 4B was that he certainly wasn’t happy about what had happened to all of them and that he desperately needed something or someone else whose lead he could follow.
Honestly even though I admit that Daryl saying “Carol” out loud would have been more than a little amazing to hear, his own quiet nature and the fact that he had very little dialogue to begin with (except during his drunken moonshine stint) makes that expectation not as realistic as we’d like.
Carols situation is a lot more complex and way more emotionally taxing because she’s had to deal with a lot more since the start of the season and her own trek through the wilderness carries a very different set of potentially explosive situations than Daryl.
I don’t think it’s so much that Carylers give Carol a break about not talking about Daryl BUT because the banishment played out the way it did and then the amount of danger and heartbreak she had to face after her return makes judging her priorities a lot more difficult.
Carols frame of mind about almost everything in Season 4 has been quite the mystery and starting with her uncanny decision with Karen and David all the way to her reaction to finding Lizzie, Mika and Judith in the woods we were simply not given enough information about her feelings about any of it
The show had already reinforced CARYL by the time Indifference rolled around so we know that Carol was clearly very close to Daryl BUT when Rick made the decision that she was to be exiled he exhibited a lot of cruelty towards her, going as far as saying “When the others find out, they won’t want you there” - could Carol have interpreted those words as “the others” including Daryl OR go even as far as thinking that since Rick included that reason in his argument that Daryl was in some way privy to Daryl’s plan to banish her?
If that was part of her conclusion then that would explain why Carol didn’t mention Daryl in her last conversation with Rick….she might have been deeply hurt and even heartbroken at the notion that Daryl would have something to do with Rick’s deeply flawed plan and complete misinterpretation of what she had done.
Obviously WE know that’s not the case and WE know that he not only didn’t know about the banishment but he also strongly disagreed with it and understood her motivation and frame of mind better than anyone else. We know that BUT does Carol?
After the reveal that Carol indeed returned to the prison to find the girls we found out that she followed them and Tyreese in the woods. The mental tax of this ordeal alone would have been overwhelming to say the least because Carol had no idea if Tyreese knew about her confession and seeing how one of the last times she saw him he was violently angry about Karens fate, the danger of approaching him with the girls must have been nerve wracking.
Once the initial shock had worn off Carol and Ty were responsible for 3 children in their care, one of who was an infant, so the priority of them both was to get them to safety. Carol is a nurturing, protective mother at heart and to her those were her girls who would always come first - her own heartbreak and emotional anguish would have to wait.
The tragedy of The Grove would have been too much for anyone to handle BUT Carol stepped up and once again at the expense of her own heart made a decision for the GREATER GOOD when she killed Lizzie to save Judith.
She confessed her crime and put her life in Tyreese’s hands - she took responsibility for her actions, she owned up to her reasons and as usual set aside her feelings in order for Ty to know the truth and have closure.
The tragedies that piled up on Carol from the start of Season 4 culminated with Lizzie’s death and while I am sure that Daryl was on her mind her selfless nature would have dictated to avoid dwelling on the matters personal just to her.
Grieving and pining over Daryl and whatever relationship with him she was mourning over, would have to wait until everyone else is taken care of, once Judith and Tyreese were safe…once nobody else needed her.
My mom often says that those we love the most during the dark times are the ones whose name is the most difficult to say, whose face is the most painful to recollect and whose eyes are the hardest to escape.
Daryl couldn’t say Carol AND Carol couldn’t say Daryl
Maybe that in itself means something for CARYL - Maybe thats exactly the point!
CARYL On My Lovelies - The Answers and the Name Uttering is Coming Soon!